[Bing] [Tischbahn] - 11/920 und 11/930/1 Set No. 1

Hi Manuel,

a very interesting comparison. Thanks for showing these two sets since it is not so easy to find complete and original sets (including the tracks!) these days.

Do the tracks with the ligth green sides have a special colour on the backside? I have also some light(er) green tracks and the backside is painted in light blue, a colour that I could not find on any other tracks.

Regards,
Patrick

Hi Manuel,

until which years were the trains from the old railroad companies LNWR or MR produced ?

The Big Four (LNER, LMS, SR and GWR) appeared in January 1923 (founding was 1921).

Hi Dieter,

I think 1924 is a reasonable date for the appearance of the big four (for Bing it was only the big three: LMS, LNER and GWR) and the disappearance of MR and LNWR.
1924 was also the year of introduction of the electric versions and best to my knowledge no electric Midland and LNWR is known. There is an electric American tank loco in Carpenter's book showing the LNWR livery, but with overpainted LNWR letters.

Regards,
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

thanks. Was it a hard break, or were the clock work locos with MR and LNWR (and matching coaches) still produced after 1924 ?

It´s funny: TRIX had also only three companies: LNER, LMS and SR. GWR didn´t allow to use their livery for TRIX trains.


By the way: what do you think about asking John H. to repaint a Bing table top train in SR livery ?

Hi Dieter,

not sure about Midland, but the remaining stock of LNWR chassis was overpainted to either make Continental or American Locos, so it looks like a hard break!

I would love to have a SR livery on one of my locos, however I need to check my inventory on hopeless tank locos...

Regards,
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

here is a collection of JH repaintings:



The Southern locos in the centre of the picture wear the postwar malachite green livery, but the short suburban coaches have the prewar dark green livery.

Hi Manuel,

seems that I mixed things up:

My light green ones are also grey on the backside:





The ones with the light blue colour on the backside are dark green!





Sorry for the confusion

Patrick

Hi Manuel,

it´s a pitty. This October John was just in Berlin.
He likes Berlin and it may be that he will attend another time to our exhibitions.

By the way: what do you think about a christmas trip to Berlin 09.12.2012 with some rare trains ?

Hello fellow collectors,

just wanted to add another early No 1 set. It is an American Set including the loco with cowcatcher and the obeservation car.





Interestingly it seems to be from the same series as the uncatalogued set I showed recently, because it has the same logic of numbering - '11/920' and '15': Uncatlogued Set 11/921





Manuel, does your early set also have a numbering on the back?

Best regards,

Patrick

Hello fellow collectors,

here's another No 1 Set that is probably unusual - I got it from the latest Lankes auction. Unfortunately, I could not identify the numbering







In the beginning I thought the original Midland loco has been exchanged with the continental loco included in that set.





However Jeff Carpenter describes these compilations sold as Continental sets in his book on page 54 and 55. He mentions the coaches not fiitted with buffers and having the brighter crimson red colour.





The only difference is the grey roof - according to Jeff the roofs should be brown to match the other European stock.

Has anyone of you ever seen a comparable set?

Thanks

Patrick

Thanks Manuel,

still the question remains: is it the original content or has somebody exchanged the loco over the last 90 years?

Best regards,

Patrick

Hello Manuel,

this is a wonderful set in great condition -congratulations!

I have no doubt on its originality. I also have early sets with light green and dark green tracks mixed. The catalogue number 61/3300 also proves that it is an 'uncatalogued' set from 1922 even so it already has the later inserts for the train.

Best Regards,
Patrick

Hallo Botho,

1932 ist zwar richtig was die Herstellung bei Bing angeht, es muss aber soviel "auf Halde" produziert worden sein, dass selbst im 1938er Bonds Handbook, wenn auch etwas abgespeckt, immer noch Bing Tischbahn angeboten wurde.



Viele Grüße
Patrick